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Jagex is banning based just on total time played

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I believe Jagex relies purely on the amount of the time played, my evidence for this:

1) People report being banned for using a script, yet another person will not, this should be seen as evidence that they cannot detect the script pattern or odd behavior, or the bot client.

(For example, I ran a ranging guild script which others had warned got them banned, I ran it for at least 12 hours total, with breaks, and was never banned)

2) The only time you hear someone say they was banned, is followed by them saying that they botted for a DAY (24 hours), which suggests they ran the script for much longer than 4 hours.

3) Ask yourself, when have you banned within a couple of hours of using a script? Most likely never.

4) Jagex uses J mods to manually ban players, why would they do this if their automatic bot detection system was working?

5) I coded a macro, very basic, using pulover's macro creator (AutoHotKey) which would just fire/repair the cannon, as well as eating food when health got too low, the clicks were always in the same spot and the same time apart, I ran the script for HOURS, at least 4 in total (I was babysitting it), and was never banned.

6) Adding on to what was previously said, I also currently use a macro which switches my amour (Void Range/Ava/God Book/Rune Cbow > Void Melee/Fire Cape/Gmaul) and then it uses the special attack (all within 1 seconds :P), the mouse jumps all over the screen, moving at speeds not humanly possible, I've used it for months and still have not received anything for it, most games would detect this but RuneScape does not, you would've thought their amazing bot detection system would pick that up right?

7) It is already known that breaks reduce your chance of being banned.

Anyone got more to add?

To put this to the test, I'm going to attempt to get 99 strength and 99 ranged, I'm only going to bot for max 6 hours per day, taking breaks every 1 hour 45 minutes, for 30 minutes.

 

It's either this, or Jagex adds you to a list, and once you've botted too much that's when they ban you (I doubt this, they would more likely give you a 2 day ban).

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10 hours ago, Cordialmente1 said:

I agree with what you said. I created an account has 2 months, always bot at most 3h in a row. I've never been banned. 2 days in a row I started for more than 10 hours and the account was banned. I've always used good scripts and the same scripts.

3 hours!? Thank you for that information :D I was taking breaks every hour.

When you say 3h in a row, what did you do between the 3h? Did you wait an hour or two? Or just logout/close the client and start it back up again?

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12 minutes ago, Snufflez said:

I've botted 1 account for around 18 hours a day (no breaks) for the last few months - totaling over 1500 hours in game time, no bans.

Hi, do you mind answering a few questions?

1) Is your account membership paid for by credit/debit card or bonds? And how many days membership have you bought?

2) Are you botting at mainly at night or during the day?

3) Do you usually spend a whole day playing (when not botting)? (I have days where I play 12 hours).

4) Could you take screenshots/make a proggy? I'd be amazed to see a script runtime at 12+ hours

5) Are you using free or premium scripts? Standard client or using looking glass?

6) What combat level was you before you started botting?

 

I suspect that Jagex might be choosing not to ban bots at the moment, the fact they even do this amazes me, they lose money for each account banned.

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2 hours ago, DaFukWasDat said:

1) People report being banned for using a script, yet another person will not, this should be seen as evidence that they cannot detect the script pattern or odd behavior, or the bot client.

 

This should be seen as evidence that their data analysis system is not targeting all accounts evenly. The system is capable of discriminating between different categories of accounts.

There are multiple factors that influence the viability of an account:

  • in game time
  • diversity of skills
  • creation date
  • number of accounts connecting from the same address
  • amount of hours played each day
  • moneymaking/training method used
  • luck
  • etc.

 

In-game time and account age are very important factors, but claiming that they are the only ones that count and that Jagex doesn't have an automated detection system implemented is absurd.

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A lot of people have experienced only using a script for a couple hours and getting banned. You can look at a lot of ban reports from the link in my signature.

1) Good botting habits reduce ban rates.

2) I personally bot 8 hours at a time at some points. 12 hours of both botting and manual play. And i have yet to get a ban (Been doing it for over 800 ttls on pures to mains fresh from creation)

3) Account creation and age does come into account for bans as well. The efficiency of how you play could also play a role. (You having struggled for 10 zulrah kills in 13 runs, averaging .7 kills per run and then out of no where using worthy's zulrah bot and averaging 2-3 kills per trip).

4) Excessive Botting times (also what i like to call bad botting habits) makes you susceptible to reports from players, JMod manual detection, etc.

5) I have multiple accounts i have botted from creation through tut island and onto being pures. Diversity in skills as mentioned by einstein is true.

6) All of these things listed are Theories and Speculations. Until Jagex comes out and explains to use in detail of what their system uses to detect clients/bots from legit clients/real players. We can all sit here and think what they do.

You are not the first one to have these "This is how they are banning us, we need change in the way we do things" threads and will not be the last. It would help to do research on other people's experiences and trials/errors before making a post. If you would've done some research, you would've probably found a dozen posts just like this with others thinking they know what is used to ban us. 

I should make some more attempts to doing more research as well. From what i told you above is from my experience alone. Yes, i have botted 8 hours on one thing and then "breaked" (script stopped itself before i could manually stop it and move onto the next thing) for like 10 minutes and went onto something else for 4+ hours. I am merely rounding what i do on a daily basis. Good botting habits have done very well for me.

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Just because you can't light gasoline without a match doesn't mean it's not flammable. 

 

Have you ever considered that the bot patterns are a factor, but the time played is what pushes you over the edge into detection area? If you consider that as a possibility, you must also accept that bans could be based on any number of factors, depending on the combinations.

 

You're employing a false dichotomy. You're trying to say that since botting patterns doesn't always lead to bans on it's own, it has to mean that play time is solely how they ban. That alone is why there's no value in this thread, statistically, as you're completely ignoring any other factors.

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44 minutes ago, wastedbro said:

Just because you can't light gasoline without a match doesn't mean it's not flammable. 

 

Have you ever considered that the bot patterns are a factor, but the time played is what pushes you over the edge into detection area? If you consider that as a possibility, you must also accept that bans could be based on any number of factors, depending on the combinations.

 

You're employing a false dichotomy. You're trying to say that since botting patterns doesn't always lead to bans on it's own, it has to mean that play time is solely how they ban. That alone is why there's no value in this thread, statistically, as you're completely ignoring any other factors.

Stop using big words. I am in the military, and never attended college :(

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7 hours ago, DaFukWasDat said:

3 horas!? Obrigado por essa informação que :Deu estava tomando pausas a cada hora.

Quando você diz 3h seguidas, o que você fez entre as 3h? Você espera uma hora ou duas? Ou simplesmente sair / fechar o cliente e iniciá-lo novamente novamente?

Boy, I think jagex bani an account mainly for boot time. How do you think they will detect 60,000 mouse movements, screen rotations, clicks at the same time? I think this is secondary information. That is, you play gets 5h in the same skill without pause, without rest, with maximum perfection you enter their report, with this they will analyze your movements of click, mouse, camera etc .. They are few people that has such a long efficiency for hours and hours. People will make food, use the bathroom, access another page. I believe that "trying" to break you do not go into this time report giving pauses, changing the skill helps a lot. In this second evaluation comes the good scripts that have anti-bans efficient that when jagex is analyzed after you enter the "radar" of bot time, it will help not to be banned. I have been using bot for 8 years and my last experiences have happened in this. Just I do not give a rest of + 12h to account that I take banishment.
 

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6 hours ago, DaFukWasDat said:

Hi, do you mind answering a few questions?

1) Is your account membership paid for by credit/debit card or bonds? And how many days membership have you bought?

2) Are you botting at mainly at night or during the day?

3) Do you usually spend a whole day playing (when not botting)? (I have days where I play 12 hours).

4) Could you take screenshots/make a proggy? I'd be amazed to see a script runtime at 12+ hours

5) Are you using free or premium scripts? Standard client or using looking glass?

6) What combat level was you before you started botting?

 

I suspect that Jagex might be choosing not to ban bots at the moment, the fact they even do this amazes me, they lose money for each account banned.

Sure,


1. I botted about 800 hours f2p on this account before membership via credit/debit for the last 2 months.
2. both. I usually run it near 48 hours straight and then take a day off. averages out to around 18h/day

3. i haven't played on the account legit for many months, it's overall total level is low and was created recently.

4. I write and use my own scripts so I haven't implemented a tracker

5. standard client

6. I'm botting something quite unique that gives me very little xp earned for the hours spent (2k/h)
 

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"or Jagex adds you to a list, and once you've botted too much that's when they ban you"

It's this. You're continuously being analyzed with statistics while playing. If you fall off the human median, for whatever analysis, you are then, to them, an entity which stands out to their system. This process quickens over time and, if they don't have learning algorithms fighting back then, they probably don't care as much as they claim.

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1 hour ago, JoeDezzy1 said:

"or Jagex adds you to a list, and once you've botted too much that's when they ban you"

It's this. You're continuously being analyzed with statistics while playing. If you fall off the human median, for whatever analysis, you are then, to them, an entity which stands out to their system. This process quickens over time and, if they don't have learning algorithms fighting back then, they probably don't care as much as they claim.

Do you think it's possible to never fall into that list with current public botting clients?

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4 hours ago, Enano25 said:

Do you think it's possible to never fall into that list with current public botting clients?

The bot client is only responsible for providing the means for a script to interact with RuneScape, allowing it to read data from the game and send mouse and key events. The client only controls aspects such as: mouse movement algorithm, click point selection algorithm, camera movement algorithm etc. therefore the number of variables that can be tracked and analyzed by Jagex is limited.

The script, on the other hand, provides a wealth of playing data that Jagex can track and analyze. Every line of code can be a dead giveaway. That being said, I believe that most bans occur due to the detection of the script's pattern, rather than the client's interaction algorithms. Even if we had the perfect client that sends output indistinguishable from a human operator, used in conjunction with a poorly written script will get the account banned in a timely manner.

 

10 hours ago, gosubear said:

Stop using big words. I am in the military, and never attended college :(

This shouldn't prevent anyone from pursuing knowledge and educating themselves, especially since it's the first time in human history when information is free and easily accessible.

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